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« Reply #60 on: July 29, 2010, 07:20:31 PM »

Princess Mononoke
If you haven't seen it, see it.  If you have seen it once, watch it again.

What if I've seen it twice?

Of the four zaki's you mention, Mononoke sadly is the one that doesn't quite connect for me but there is still a decent amount to appreciate.
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« Reply #61 on: July 29, 2010, 09:41:18 PM »

Wonder what your #1 will be... Grin
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« Reply #62 on: July 29, 2010, 09:55:23 PM »

Wonder what your #1 will be... Grin

I really am curious as to what my #2 will be.
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« Reply #63 on: July 30, 2010, 03:03:41 AM »

I'm still so very happy you loved this Steve!
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« Reply #64 on: July 30, 2010, 04:48:37 PM »

Star Wars Episode IV : A New Hope


Along with almost every member of my generation who loves movies, this is the one that got me started on movies.  Sure, I saw movies before, but this is what made them a pastime, a frequent topic of conversation, a part of our lives rather than simply an entertainment.  Thus, in watching this one film for my top 100, the aura of nostalgia is really heavy.  Not only do I react to the film, but I remember my first reactions to it as a seventh grader with hundreds of other kids around me, thrilled and confused and stirred by the heroics and the storyline.  This is THE movie of my generation.



And it still makes an impact more than thirty years later.  I still laughed at barbs and though I've seen this film some fifteen to twenty times, some of the action still is exciting.  I still like Mark Hamil's innocent naivete, even though I know part of that is poor skill. I still think Harrison Ford is amazing.  And I love the imagination Lucas put into the film.

The most brilliant part of the film, in my opinion, though, is beginning with the fourth episode of nine.  If Lucas had begun with Episode I, the story would have been trite all throughout, plodding along at the slowest possible pace.  We would have begun Episode IV already knowing that Luke and Leia were brother and sister, already knowing the history of Darth Vader, and the whole thing would have just slogged along, like much of the prequels did.   Instead, we are dropped into a universe with a rich history, with much to figure out.  Why does Darth where a helmet, but Obi Wan doesn't?  Why has Obi Wan taken such interest in Luke?  What is this "Clone War"?  There are many mysteries to solve and backgrounds to delve into and it gives a lot of rich fodder for the imagination.  I personally feel the prequels did us a disservice by spelling all of that out.  But this film, standing on its own without prequels to explain anything, is just marvelous.



But not everything in this film is good.  The emotional resonance is awful.  Luke spends some time sorrowing over Obi Wan whom he only got to really know over the last few days, but the death of his Uncle and Aunt who raised him barely gets a mention, let alone a tear.  Luke seems to not be unhappy for their massacre for the sake of his own ambitions.  Leia doesn't seem terribly broken up by the destruction of the world in which she was raised, as well.  She sees the act of killing an entire planet as monstrous, but the only time the act is discussed, she waves it away, saying that there's more important work to do.  Lucas continually has a problem with making a film emotionally impactful.  The only ones of the Star Wars films that really work emotionally is Empire and Return.  And that, only sometimes.

And the additional material Lucas added to this original film is simply awful.  It fills in the scenery a bit, but the one gag in Mos Eisley falls flat.  And the scene between Han and Jabba was not only unnecessary, but also it made Han's statement about needing to hurry make no sense.  If he had just killed the bounty hunter and knew Jabba was on his track, then he needed to go.  But if he had smoothed things over with Jabba, then why rush?  Han wasn't in any hurry with Jabba and didn't know stormtroopers were after him (since they weren't after him, but the droids).  Okay, I'm sounding like a fanboy, here, but the scene just wasn't needed.  Some of the cleanup work was good, like the shadow of Luke's hovercar.  But generally it was pointless and distracting.

Nevertheless, it was good.  It was great.  I enjoyed it all over again.  It is still one of my favorites.  If you want to blame part of that on nostalgia, so be it.  But I still thrilled to see Obi Wan raise his light saber so Darth Vader could strike him down.  I still was impressed by the fast editing at the end of the Death Star to heighten the excitement, which worked even though I noticed it.   I laughed at the antics of the two droids, even though I've seen them play the routine again and again.  It works.  And it deserves to be in my top 100.  



EDIT:
Ratings:
Technical  -3/5 -- A couple marks off for later CGI additions and the choice of Mark Hamill
Interest  4/5-- There was enough action and humor to keep me interested, but I was thinking of it as a movie this time, not fully engulfed
Tension-- 3/5-- I lost quite a bit of tension over the multiple viewings, but there were still scenes I wanted to see.
Emotional-- 2/5-- I didn't have much emotional connection this viewing, mostly because of the lack of emotion in pivotal scenes.
Characters-- 4/5-- Some classic meta characters here, especially Princess Leia who is relatively new. 
Theme-- 3/5-- "Mysticism is good" is as much as I can come up with
Ethics-- 2/5-- I've always had problems with Star Wars ethically.  The stormtroopers are killed off in droves without any remorse or even character because they're "bad guys". 
Personal-- 3/5-- Like other youths, I originally identified with Luke, seeking adventure.  I still feel a little of that, but at this stage of life, I'm probably more like Obi Wan-- old and my time is winding down, ready for the next stage of preparing the next generation.  Do I get to state nonsensical aphorisms now?


Of course, the question is, will it stay in my top 100?  I have no idea.  I can see myself grading it a bit lower because the faults of the film are more obvious to me and because I have too many excellent films to squeeze into a mere 100.  For now, I'd say that TDK has a strong lead over it, but it just sneaks in above The Brothers Bloom.  That's the nostalgia at work.  

EDIT: Now that I've done my ratings, I am more disappointed in A New Hope than before.  It is still enjoyable, but I think that The Brothers Bloom has got more going for it now.  So I'm switching their spots:

1. In America
2. Princess Mononoke
3. The Dark Knight
4. The Brothers Bloom
5. Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope
6. Raising Arizona
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« Reply #65 on: August 01, 2010, 01:37:38 PM »

I've decided for my films in this marathon to give a multiple rating system, not unlike what ferris did with his classics marathon.  I wish I had a clever format for them, like ferris, but they do need a little explanation, so I'm doing that here:


Technical—The specific way a film was made which, in my mind, includes direction, editing, casting, and at times the acting.  Although acting in a way that a character wouldn’t is a different story.  I mostly notice when these movie-making issues

Theme—In my mind, most (but not all) great movies have a theme, a concept that ties them together.  Sometimes I make up this theme myself, it seems, but if I see it then I believe it’s there and it makes the movie better for me.  Ties it all together, making the movie more literary.

Emotional Resonance—This is really important and I think that all of my top movies (say, top 10 or so) will have this.  This is, of course, very personal, but if there is at least one deeply emotional moment that is resonating throughout the film, then I’m a goner.   Interestingly, it is under this section that I will mention songs or a soundtrack.  If music is successful in a movie, then it struck me emotionally.

Interest—The film has to have something that keeps my attention.  This might be similar to Bondo’s “iPhone rating”.  If I find myself wanting to do something else, then I might not give it as high of a rating here.  A great film, in my opinion, will have a puzzle or a relationship or a plot point or an interesting concept that I want to see worked out.  Also, if there’s continually something gorgeous to look at (like scenery, not Megan Fox), then that will add to interest rating. As well, humor can certainly add to interest.  Surrealism and self-referential issues seem to hold a lot of interest for me.

Tension—There should be at least a moment in which there is strong anticipation to see what happens.  If a film can still create such a tension on multiple viewings, then it certainly is a winner.

Characters—It helps if I enjoy or like at least one central character.  But it isn’t necessary for a movie to be great.  But at least the characters have to be believable and I want to follow them to see what is happening to or in them.  If I don’t connect with any characters, then I probably won’t see the film as great.

Ethics—For me, a movie can rise or fall on the ethics it promotes.  This is not the same as the ethics one sees in the film.  Certainly there’s not a lot of positive morality going on in There Will Be Blood, but the movie doesn’t promote either of the two leads’ ethical system.  In fact, it shows them as being mutually destructive.  But if the ethical system of a movie matches mine, I will give it higher points.  Which doesn’t mean I give preachy films higher status.  Although preaching doesn’t bother me (obviously), neither does subtlety.  In fact, I think we learn better by demonstration rather than monologue.  

Personal Connection—I’ve mentioned a number of times my personal response to a movie, but this is something more specific.  For the films that I will personally rate highest, there seems to be a theme or a character or a situation that I personally have experienced or consider important.  I suppose this could be listed as an “interest” point, but it means more than any other issue.   I will rate a good plot about the homeless higher than great plot about gangsters (Which certainly doesn’t mean that The Soloist will rank higher than The Godfather).  If a movie is good on these other levels, a personal connection will certainly push it higher than it would for other people.

I do wish I could put these ideas in a clever format like ferris’, but that can be confusing and I like the straight forward statements.  So I will be rating these items and making comments on them.  It will be interesting what films I don’t necessarily rate high in these categories, but they still make my list.

I will go back to the movies I've already listed and put this list of ratings on them.
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« Reply #66 on: August 01, 2010, 03:55:30 PM »

Interesting rating system.
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« Reply #67 on: August 04, 2010, 01:52:03 PM »

Okay, we got some catch up to do here...

Adaptation



Charlie Kauffman is the screenwriter of Adaptation.  And this film is the story of how he wrote this film.   Right there is everything I love about this film.  The fact that he’s writing a movie based on a book that had no right to be a movie because there’s no real plot.  That there may be more to the story than is in the book.  That Donald, Charlie’s twin brother (who doesn’t actually exist) writes the final third of it, at which point there is a distinct change of style and plot direction.  It is so smart, and well done.

But there are things I find myself wishing this movie would do better.  I wish there was a likable character.  Just one that I could relate to.  I wish the shift to the final third wasn’t so obvious.  Charlie asks Donald, “Why don’t you finish it” and he clearly does.  I wish that the end didn’t seem so contrived.  I could see it happening, but because the characters don’t seem real, they just seem to be going through the motions.  This is not to say that the actors didn’t do a good job.  They were all fine.  They just seemed to be trapped by these characters that could be described in one line. All the characters are just aspects of characters, ideals without balance.  Charlie is too full of self loathing, Donald is too sure of himself, Susan is all about being passionate about other’s passions, etc.  I didn’t feel like these are real people.  And Charlie is simply too whiney.  It got irritating.

There is a lot about Charlie Kauffman films that I love.  I love the self-referential, I love the time shifts, I love the changing point of view.  All of this is challenging.  However, I am finding, that there are some things I don’t care for as well.  The complaining about life and age.  The lack of any moral core, that it all has to do with personal experience.  Eternal Sunshine will certainly make my top 100 and Synedoche will probably make it, too.  But I was more irritated by Adaptation this time than entertained.  I’m dropping it down from a 5/5 to a 4/5. Ouch.

Technical—5/5—Very well done, of course. 
Interest—5/5— The shifts that happen throughout are fascinating.  I really liked the process of figuring out the film as the film was going on. 
Tension—3/5-- The end was good, but not as intense as it was the first time, of course.
Emotional—2/5—It was difficult to relate to the characters and so difficult for me to find the emotions for me to relate to.
Characters—2/5—This is where I had the most problem with the film.  Theme—5/5 Giving in to one’s passion.
Ethics—2/5 When “passion” is the main theme, then people do things for passion that the film simply winks at.  That bothers me a little.
Personal—3/5—However, as a person who is passionate, I understand the drive. 

I want you to remember that Adaptation is still a great movie in my estimation, it just won't make my top 100.  It will certainly make my top 200, though.

1. In America
2. Princess Mononoke
3. The Dark Knight
4. The Brothers Bloom
5. Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope
6. Raising Arizona
7. Adaptation
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« Reply #68 on: August 04, 2010, 02:41:43 PM »

Star Wars V: The Empire Strikes Back



Alongside the original Star Wars and Raiders of the Lost Ark, this film has the highest possibility of having a high nostalgia impact upon me.  There was a lot of anticipation for it back in 1980 and it (unlike some other films I might mention) did not fail.  Interestingly enough, even though I’ve seen it so many times and know just what is going to happen, there was much in this viewing I never saw.  

In watching it before, I noticed the plot and the different mood, and the continuing character development.  But this time, I noted that the whole movie is about setting aside hate, even in the face of evil.  And it is fascinating how the very Christian theme of faith being a necessary component to set aside hate is woven in.  



I also really appreciate the introduction of Yoda much more after having seen his whole character arc.  In other films he is wise, often judgmental and even a bad ass.  But right at the beginning he is introduced as being silly and jolly and a bit dim just like… a muppet.  Considering that he IS a muppet and has the wonderful voice of Frank Oz of Grover fame, that would be expected.  Then, on a dime, Yoda becomes cynical and bitter.  What a wonderful trick was played upon us, and what a joy it was to experience that change again.

Everything in Empire is darker than the first film.  Not only is the subject darker, but all the characters have gone through a transformation that difficulties often bring.  Luke is still naďve, Leia is still angry royalty, Han is still smug, but they are all more serious, even in their jokes.  They aren’t happy-go-lucky, on top of the world after destroying the Death Star.  We believe that these characters wouldn’t just break down at the tragedy that is happening in the last third.  



It is very well done.  The perfect Star Wars film.  Of course, Return of the Jedi must follow.  We can’t be left here.  But only half of Return is worth following in my opinion.  So I leave on the best of Star Wars.

Technical- 5/5- Perfectly made, and the frequent darkness just made it more interesting.
Interest- 5/5- The plot was excellent, better than the first.  
Tension- 5/5- When Luke and Darth meet up, you could cut it with a knife.  Even though I know what’s going to happen, I still wonder if I’m right…
Emotional- 3/5- Certainly this film has lost some of the emotion at the time.  One of the best romantic scenes in a Lucas film, but it still misses the mark.
Characters- 4/5- I like the way all the characters remain the same—Luke is still naďve, Leia is still angry royalty, Han is still smug—but they all go deeper and darker
Theme—4/5 Hatred brings you to evil, even when you have good reason to hate.  It comes together in a way no other Star Wars film does.
Ethics—3/5—The “anti-hate” message is good, but it persists the idea that you can threaten someone with a deadly weapon and that isn’t a form of hate.  Even though that is the double standard of our society and almost all the world of movies, it still bugs me.
Personal—2/5—Maybe a little nostalgia, but not much else.

Still, Empire is going to get a good placement in my top 100 because it was so well made.  Three great scenes and no bad ones, indeed.

1. In America
2. Princess Mononoke
3. The Dark Knight
4. Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back
5. The Brothers Bloom
6. Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope
7. Raising Arizona
8. Adaptation
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« Reply #69 on: August 04, 2010, 02:49:59 PM »

Best line in the movie: "Whoa, that got him!"

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« Reply #70 on: August 04, 2010, 10:22:27 PM »

Tideland



This is easily the most hated of all films by Terry Gilliam.  It is also easily the most difficult one to watch.   And these two facts are certainly not disconnected.  We have an adorable, likable nine year old girl put in many situations we would never want to see a nine year old girl in.  Addicted, selfish parents who barely raise her, but her situation is much worse after they die.  Then she is faced with a dangerous psycho, pedophilia, live ammunition, and starvation.  Not only does she survive, she thrives.  Simply because of who she is as a child.  Because of her imagination, her gift at re-telling the story around her, and her imaginary friends she is able to avoid trauma.  Just like any gifted child might.



Jodelle Farland, the actress who plays Jeliza Rose, the girl in question, is a vision.  This is a role she was meant to play.  Rarely is a child actor so able to play a child.  She is just playing by herself in front of the camera.  Because of this, we don’t see her as a mature child, able to deal with the situations before her age.  Rather, she is completely childish.  Just like my daughter Mercy, who is the same age, using whatever resources at her disposal to get what she wants and to survive.  Her only problem is that she doesn’t have her priorities straight.



The other characters are completely realized as well. The landscape is like Days of Heaven, but every time one goes inside a building it is more like the Matrix. 

I completely understand why some people don’t like this film.  Emotionally, it is very difficult.  But like all great adventure stories, it is only in the most difficult of circumstances that the heroine shows her true powers.  This is what we have here.

Technical—5/5—Top notch Terry Gilliam. He put all his skills as an artist and a director behind this.
Interest—5/5—Never looked at the time once.
Tension—5/5—How close to pedophilia will they get?  Every little thing that happens to the girl is felt intensely.
Emotional—4/5—I feel Jeliza Rose’s pain more than she does at times.
Characters—4/5—Almost all of Gilliam’s films are filled with characters who are “acting”, as if each film were a stage production of Shakespeare instead of a film of the last two decades.  But Jeliza Rose should be acting.  She has to be.  And somehow, all of these characters—the friendly-but-self-centered addict, the mother who demands love, the on-the-edge psychopath, the innocent developmentally disabled man—although they seem like stereotypes, I know these people.  My children are surrounded by these people.  It all is “acting” (except for Jeff Bridges and Brendan Fletcher) but I believed them anyway.
Theme—5/5 Children are resilient. Brilliantly realized and communicated.  Our acceptance of this film is dependant on our belief in the theme.
Ethics—4/5—Of course, some very evil things happen to this child.  And Eliza Rose is sometimes brutal, sometimes selfish, sometimes betrays her friends.  But I truly see this film as being truly descriptive, not prescriptive, a first for Gilliam, perhaps.
Personal—4/5—I know many of these characters.  And I can see my daughters playing in just such a way in just such a circumstance.  In my fatherly adoration, I’d like to think they are as strong as Jeliza Rose.

1. In America
2. Princess Mononoke
3. The Dark Knight
4. Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back
5. Tideland
6. The Brothers Bloom
7. Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope
8. Raising Arizona
9. Adaptation

All right, I'm certifiably insane.  This is the absolute proof.  Go ahead, bring on the hate!
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« Reply #71 on: August 04, 2010, 10:26:15 PM »

I've always been interested in checking this one out. Your praise only makes it bigger on my radar.
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« Reply #72 on: August 04, 2010, 10:31:02 PM »

Sounds cool, I thinks its the only Gilliam I haven't seen.
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« Reply #73 on: August 04, 2010, 10:33:50 PM »

Interesting. Never heard of it. I'll have to check it out.
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« Reply #74 on: August 05, 2010, 10:09:34 AM »

Well, that was unexpected.  I hope my review wasn't too spoilery. 
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