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« Reply #105 on: July 12, 2009, 07:46:17 AM »


Dead Poets Society (Peter Weir, 1989)

Huh, this movie turned out to be nowhere as good as I remembered it being Undecided.

I remember watching this when I was about 16 and being pretty moved by it. It felt tragic and weighty and having spent my entire schooling in these strict schools that took conformity to an absurd level (happy to share traumatic anecdotes), this film spoke to me at the time.

Now that I'm (thankfully) grown up, this film just made me angry. It falls victim to the very thing it chooses to deride. It pretends to celebrate non-conformity and yet the film conforms to every cliche in the book. It's predictable and sappy and perhaps the most damning criticism of them all, bland and boring!

I had a lot of nagging issues with the execution - lots of scenes that just feel too contrived and ridiculous and don't feel remotely credible. But I could've forgiven all that if the film was at least interesting in terms of ideas. I thought for a while that it was. When Keating first comes into the classroom, he comes across as a rebel teacher who is opposed to the learning by rote, accepting what is in the books approach and instead seems to be asking his students to think for themselves and to pursue their passions. All well and good so far.

Somewhere along the line, we see Keating having a discussion with another teacher who questions Keating about whether these students are ready to handle so much freedom and independent thinking. When Keating accuses him of being a cynic, he refutes Keating by claiming that he's just being a realist. Aha, I said to myself at this point. This is why I liked the film so much. Now we're going to see these two opposing philosophies battle it out. Cool.

But no. The realist guy just pretty much drops out of the film after posing this question. Yeah, he's still around but just in a couple of scenes in the background. And this somewhat pragmatic and cautious philosophy is not what is set up as an opposition to Keating and his line of thought. Instead, we have these ridiculous villains on the other side. A headmaster who seems to be stuck in the past and a parent who seems cruel and uncaring (apparently a pattern with the kids at this school).

The last straw? Ultimately, by the time the movie ends, what we learn is that the realist guy.. remember? He was right after all! At least some of these kids don't yet have the emotional strength and maturity to be able to deal with following their passions with no regard for the consequences. There's one scene where Keating sort of mouths something about how one has to be self-preserving even as one follows one's passions but it really feels like it was stuck on.

I am really okay with that conclusion too and I think I would've still really liked this film if it had taken up this idea of a well-meaning teacher who inadvertently ends up encouraging his students to be too unfettered with tragic consequences. But the film doesn't do that either. Keating is still characterized as the heroic teacher who is made a scapegoat by the system.

I think I've already written too much about this film and I could go on and on with specific complaints about individual scenes. Keating's techniques come across as rather new-agey and I found myself rolling my eyes on more than one occasion. His approach seems to be to tease / mock the students about the very thing they are most embarrassed about. I guess it could work but what he does to Ethan Hawke's character felt a bit like harassment to me. That whole romance feels totally unnecessary and didn't do anything for me.

I am not a fan of Robin Williams most of the time and all his theatrical Brando impersonations while teaching Shakespeare didn't really help the cause either.

Thankfully, the movie has Wilson in it and he makes the whole thing a little more bearable but I'd much rather be watching an episode of House instead of this one.
It also has some pretty photography. I'll give it that. Pity it doesn't deserve any of it.


The Fly (David Cronenberg, 1986)

Despite all the enthusiasm this film generated over at smirnoff's brilliant marathon, somewhere in my head I wasn't yet convinced and believed that some of the love for this film is driven by nostalgia and that it's mostly a cheesy splatter fest.

One of the many reasons I love these brackets is that when I discover a film that I end up loving, it so easily outweighs the burden of having to watch these duds. This was no exception. This movie charmed the hell out of me.

It's absolutely schlocky and cheesy and typically 80s in its aesthetic and its also brilliant, funny, poignant and heart-wrenchingly romantic.

Yes, there is tons of ridiculous science in the film. Computers that are are ridiculously wise and respond in plainspeak.

Yes, the film is gory, gleefully and wonderfully so.


But all of this just made me love the film even more. Because underneath all this gore and all these special effects, the film manages to be so devastatingly sad without resorting to all the silly emotional manipulation of DPS. I've rarely seen a film examine such basic human fears while being so entertaining at the same time. Aren't we all, at some level, dissatisfied with and insecure about our own bodies? And don't we all wish (and maybe even think) that we have some control over this unpredictable machine?

I love the way Brundle's initial reaction to the changes his body undergoes after the reconstruction is to imagine that his body has been purified and improved. He decides that the hair growing on his back will finally give him the macho, masculine persona he has never been able to have in the past. And then as he starts to realize what is happening to him, the film taps into all these ideas about aging and illness and how we and the people we love respond to it. The spiral of extreme behavior and depression that Brundle seems to be going through as his body parts stop responding the way he expects them to is hardly science fiction!

And ultimately, it's just a really sad and really beautiful story about love and loss. And an infinitely better one than those silly movies where dead husbands leave letters lying around for their wives and what not.

It's also pretty much perfectly cast. I've always liked Jeff Goldblum for some reason but here his intensity, his tendency to seem self-absorbed, his nervous frenetic energy - they make him perfect for the role of Seth Brundle. Geena Davis is fine as well and she and Goldblum seem to share great chemistry (I read somewhere that they got into a relationship while making the film?).

The film that I expected to be touching and tragic made me want to tear my hair out in boredom. The film that I expected would make me roll my eyes ripped my heart straight out. This decision is too easy.

Goodbye, Dead Poets Society.
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« Reply #106 on: July 12, 2009, 07:54:01 AM »

Any Cronenberg love is always much appreciated.
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« Reply #107 on: July 12, 2009, 08:48:04 AM »

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Stardust Memories vs. Working girls


Stardust Memories (Woody Allen, 1980)

A filmmaker visits a small town that's showing a retrospective of his early, funny films. Wait, this is a Woody Allen film? A Fellini film? A Bergman film? I haven't seen that many Woody films but this seems extremely self-referential. At one point, the audience screams out "why do all comedians turn out to be sentimental bores?" A scene of perfect joy and wonder is critiqued the moment after. It's so morose and awkward as Woody juggles the women of his life, not wanting to get married, discussing Bicycle Thieves with the eyebrows of a cello/violin player, remembering the love of his life (even though she was insane and he knows it). The cinematography is excellent with vibrant b&w throwing you back to the 60s european arthouse days but still with the woody trademarks (just as he would've wanted). It's kind of too morose and self-involved (in the greatest ways) but there's a pain there that I haven't felt in any of the other Woody films I've seen. It's an endless cycle, the cinema.


Working Girls (Lizzie Borden, 1986)

Endless cycle. That's how the film plays out. It's a day in the life of a working girl. Molly goes by bike to work, an apartment with all the thingies you need inside it. What I found most interesting about is the routines and details that made up the life. How you learn about the closet with all the towels, and about the clients having to be "completely comfortable" before they can accept any money. The observations about how this line of work is just like any line of work with the endless bitching about the boss and the routines and showing the new kid how it all works are striking and interesting. It's too bad it's marred by extremely amateurish acting which destroys any type of emotional connection possible. Also, yeah, this movie is repetitive. Molly has sex with some random guy (each one slightly different) then comes back to the main room to keep talking to the other girls. The film only really takes place in this single space so it feels kind of claustrophobic (and I guess that says something about how these women are stuck in this role, or are kept there or whatever). eh, whateverz,

so, Stardust Memories takes it. Let's talk, skjerva.

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« Reply #108 on: July 12, 2009, 09:08:57 AM »

Huh, this movie turned out to be nowhere as good as I remembered it being Undecided.

I used to like it as well and had this same experience a couple of years ago. It's still the only Peter Weir movie I don't like (haven't seen Green Card). Am glad The Fly hit you on a gut level (it's catching on!). Also, that's some good writing.
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« Reply #109 on: July 12, 2009, 09:12:54 AM »




Must be hypothetical because, as is known, FLY is always the primary element.
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« Reply #110 on: July 12, 2009, 09:19:51 AM »

I was deeply traumatized when I saw part of The Fly on TV at about age six, haven't seen it since. I'm hoping this bracket will finally give me that chance. Grin
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« Reply #111 on: July 12, 2009, 09:20:21 AM »

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 Cheesy I need to watch Stardust Memories, I really do.
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« Reply #112 on: July 12, 2009, 10:29:14 AM »

Dead Poets Society (Peter Weir, 1989)
Huh, this movie turned out to be nowhere as good as I remembered it being Undecided.

The Fly (David Cronenberg, 1986)
And ultimately, it's just a really sad and really beautiful story about love and loss.

Goodbye, Dead Poets Society.

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« Reply #113 on: July 12, 2009, 11:19:44 AM »


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First, let me say that I, myself, would have picked the same film to move on.

However, with a negative review of the Wayne Wang film, I'm sure at least one person is wondering why the hell I nominated it.

This film has personal value for me with me being a first generation Asian-American growing up in an Asian-American community.  The biggest reason I nominated the film is because simply it's an Asian/Asian-American story directed by an Asian/Asian-American and I think to get a decent survey of 80s US film we should include fringe items with Wayne Wang being a major figure for Asian-American artists.

Overall, it's a patchy film with some very good moments.  At its best, good enough, personally, to be included in this bracket.

I don't think the film relied to heavily on the device that skjerva mentioned.  Masculinity (tied in with virility and sexuality) within that Asian community and their notion of it (whether or not an outsider sees it as silly or not is irrelevant) is a huge part of the film.

As much as a critique with the intellectual rigor of The Wire or Wendy and Lucy would be to most people including me preferable, I think wanting that from this film is wanting it to be what it didn't set out to be.  I think, above all, this is a light dramedy that is about family, romance, masculinity, and community. 

Russell Wong is terrible; it hurts the film, absolutely, with his character being intergral and all.  On the other hand, I think Victor Wong who played the father was excellent and so was Eric Tsang.  I thought Cora Miao was good.

Wayne Wang's Chan Is Missing is a better film than Eat a Bowl of Tea, way better.

if i had spent more time writing on Eat a Bowl of Tea, i am sure i would have done a better job of singing its praises - it does have much to offer - i am glad i saw it and do think others should also give it a chance.  perhaps i addressed The Erection in the wrong way in my earlier writing, it seems to be a symbol for the exchange of Chinese values for American values, and the trepidation about buying into American values.  the film seems to struggle with this issue a bit, conjoined with the critique of capitalism, but as much as the film is about these struggles with values, it tries not to be.  i think i realized this on some level while watching it, that some of its value is in the mere fact of its existence and representing Chinese-American culture filmically which is a rarity and valuable in itself.  i think that in doing this it disregards some of the nuance it should have shown for easy formula to satisfy a wider audience.  i also agree that Victor Wong was great in his role as the father


Goodbye, Dead Poets Society.


it has been ages since i have experienced either of these, but i suspect i would have the same take. nice write-up Smiley

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Stardust Memories vs. Working girls

so, Stardust Memories takes it. Let's talk, skjerva.



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yes, i agree that some of the acting in Working Girls is bad to awful, but i think you got the movie quite wrong otherwise.  it isn't about a cycle, or being stuck, but about sex work.  Molly isn't in a cycle, the film takes place over the course of a day and at the end of the day she has quit her job.  the film tracks the mundane details that go on around sex work, it humanizes the women by showing them eating lunch, talking to one another, trading shifts.  this isn't the typical sex film that titillates, instead it shows sex work as work.  more later on this one.  i had a feeling this one would get the boot when it came up against Woody, i am guessing it will be a front-runner for resurrection if i earn one Smiley
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« Reply #114 on: July 12, 2009, 11:27:52 AM »

I didn't mean the character's life is an endless cycle. That's just how the film played for me. It's just one john after the other, always repeating, which although true, gets boring and repetitive.

I actually don't think I missed what you're saying. That's actually what I found most interesting about it. All those little details about how this job is just like any other job (just add sex). One of the more interesting parts was when they're having sex, one of the customers requests to do something, then the girl says "that's $30 more." It isn't about sex or enjoyment, it's about money. Hence, work. The ending was actually my least favourite part of the film (aside from the acting). Seemed too consciously outside of the character or trying to inflect a change that I don't think was there.
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« Reply #115 on: July 12, 2009, 11:53:24 AM »

gotcha, but i thought that the repetitiveness merely emphasized the work of it.  i liked the ending, and agree it seemed a bit jarring, but i think that was the point Smiley
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« Reply #116 on: July 12, 2009, 02:33:28 PM »

I'm so glad to see The Fly move on! You really captured the surprising power of the film in your review worm Smiley What did you make of the score?
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« Reply #117 on: July 12, 2009, 02:49:23 PM »

I'm so glad to see The Fly move on! You really captured the surprising power of the film in your review worm Smiley What did you make of the score?

Loved the score Smiley. You were sooo right, smirnoff!
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« Reply #118 on: July 12, 2009, 03:04:17 PM »

Thanks to you for prompting the monster marathon in the first place, and suggesting it! <3 filmspotting Smiley
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« Reply #119 on: July 13, 2009, 08:12:40 AM »

Dead Poets Society (Peter Weir, 1989)

Huh, this movie turned out to be nowhere as good as I remembered it being Undecided.

The film that I expected to be touching and tragic made me want to tear my hair out in boredom. The film that I expected would make me roll my eyes ripped my heart straight out. This decision is too easy.

Goodbye, Dead Poets Society.


Told you!
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