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« Reply #90 on: July 11, 2009, 06:37:08 PM »

The Evil Dead - disgusting
Escape from New York - meh
I haven't seen The Evil Dead so I can't comment on your write-up. I know it has a big following so I'm hoping some of its fans respond. I hope you're wrong about Escape From New York 'cause I'm kind of looking forward to.

that would be nice.  i do get some of the appreciation of it, it has some early-Raimi effects work, which is fine, but that is pretty much all it has going for it, and that isn't much. 

On Escape, i was kinda looking forward to it, too.  i'm hoping whoever gets it next has a better defense of it.  it has something good going for it, just not as much as the premise might lead us to believe.

ad thanks for the number, it lands me on - get this - Amadeus vs Evil Dead II.  i'll let duder check his sheet to verify, but it seems to be the case
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« Reply #91 on: July 11, 2009, 06:40:21 PM »

Amadeus vs. Evil Dead II confirmed. I think Evil Dead II is just supposed to be a remake of Evil Dead with a few changes? Undecided
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« Reply #92 on: July 11, 2009, 06:56:04 PM »

Amadeus vs. Evil Dead II confirmed. I think Evil Dead II is just supposed to be a remake of Evil Dead with a few changes? Undecided

Yeah, I mean, maybe we should give someone else a shot at the Evil Dead trilogy. If it's anything like the original you are going to hate it, skjerva.
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« Reply #93 on: July 11, 2009, 07:53:16 PM »

Blue Velvet (David Lynch, 1986)
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Blue Velvet

I had never seen Blue Velvet, but I had heard a lot about it, and I had seen some of the key scenes before.  As I watch more and more Lynch, I must say, nobody does creepy like David Lynch.  This film starts of by showing you idyllic suburban scenes.  The flowers and white picket fences, the fire truck (complete with dalmatian), and the gentleman leisurely mowing his lawn.  But wait, that man is having a heart attack, now let's pan slowly across the scene and zoom in on the ground, now under the grass where bugs are devouring who knows what.  Ah, there we are.  Now I am watching a Lynch film.  

I don't want to say too much about the plot, as to not spoil things, but briefly, Kyle Maclachlan (son of the man who had a heart attack) is home visiting his father.  When walking home from the hospital he comes across a severed human ear.  He brings it to a family friend who is a detective.  The detective's daughter, played by Laura Dern, gives Machlachlan some information about a woman (Isabella Rosselini) who she has overheard her father talking about, thinking she may be involved with the ear somehow.  Machlachlan decides to do some investigating on his own, and soon becomes involved with this woman, and many other characters, including Frank Booth, played by Dennis Hopper.  I can't write this verdict without mentioning Hopper's performance.  It is immensely creepy, scary, manic, brutal, and funny all at the same time.  This is what Frank Booth thinks about Jeffrey's (Maclachlan) choice of beer."Heineken! F*ck that! Pabst! Blue! Ribbon!"

This film has quite a few disturbing scenes.  The sex scenes are brutal and creepy.  This film has gotten some heat for being misogynistic (most notably by Roger Ebert), and I can see why one can get that impression, but it didn't necessarily seem that way to me. However, it is hard for me to watch when a woman is being brutalized on screen, and there were multiple scenes in this film that hit me on a visceral level.  

As far as Lynch films are concerned, this story is pretty straightforward.  I don't what I was expecting, but I went in thinking I was going to have to put all the pieces together, but it was pretty much all on the screen for me.  You don't really get a back story, but that is about the only piece missing.  This isn't a flaw, I liked being thrown into the situation, without knowing why things were the way they were. The more Lynch films I watch, the more he seems to surprise me.  (faceboy dictated me Eraserhead, which I plan on watching soon, I can't wait to see what that is about)


Melvin and Howard *mild spoilers*

Melvin and Howard is based on a true story about a man who, while driving through the Nevada desert, gave a ride to a man who may or may not have been Howard Hughes.  Melvin is a down on his luck miner/milk man/gas station attendant, who can never seem to get ahead.  His car is constantly being repossessed, he is getting docked pay at his work, and his wife just left him.  He gets the wife back, but as soon as it looks like they might make it, he blows what little money they have on a new car and boat.  The wife leaves again. I don't want to say anything e :)lse, but the Hughes storyline does pop up again.

Melvin and Howard reminded me a lot of other films of the early 80s, films like Terms of Endearment and Tender Mercies.  It has a slow lyrical quality to it, and a pleasant score.  Whenever I see films from this era it makes me smile because of the clothing and the furniture and the hairstyles always remind me of my childhood.  I think that the real heart of the film is not Melvin, but his wife, played by Mary Steenburgen.  She really is lovely in this film, and when she isn't on screen, the film wanes a bit for me.  I think that is where the main problem of the film was for me, I just wasn't sympathetic towards the character of Melvin.  He kept doing things that sabotaged his family's financial security, and making silly decisions.  He seemed to be a bit selfish and put himself in front of his family, and I found little sympathy towards him.  Ultimately, I think this film is pleasant and sweet and definitely captures a piece of time that is very special to me.

Verdict:  Like I just mentioned, Melvin and Howard is pleasant, and if you got a spare 90 minutes, it is worth checking out, but Blue Velvet hit me on gut level, and I know I will be thinking about it for some time.  Blue Velvet moves on.

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« Reply #94 on: July 11, 2009, 08:00:12 PM »

nice write-up, i am actually intrigued by Melvin and Howard

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« Reply #95 on: July 11, 2009, 08:01:40 PM »

Blue Velvet hit me on gut level
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« Reply #96 on: July 11, 2009, 08:02:08 PM »

nice write-up, i am actually intrigued by Melvin and Howard

it's worth a watch
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« Reply #97 on: July 11, 2009, 08:03:41 PM »

"Heineken! F*ck that! Pabst! Blue! Ribbon!"

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« Reply #98 on: July 11, 2009, 08:16:24 PM »

Amadeus vs. Evil Dead II confirmed. I think Evil Dead II is just supposed to be a remake of Evil Dead with a few changes? Undecided

Yeah, I mean, maybe we should give someone else a shot at the Evil Dead trilogy. If it's anything like the original you are going to hate it, skjerva.

pretty sure i saw II 15ish years ago and don't remember it as a remake - it isn't actually a remake, is it?  i don't feel like i'm going in with a negative vibe on it, just assuming it will be a different picture.  while i didn't emphasize the positives of TED, i'd imagine Raimi's style will have evolved a bit and he'll have certainly dropped the bad plot points, right? there should be plenty of goodness there as long as i don't get crazy again Smiley  that said, i think it would get weird if we were to start pulling matches if folks get a film that they really like or hate, it's happened in the 90s bracket and we've somehow gotten by Smiley  if folks really want me off it, i have no problem giving it up, but then i think the same should hold for other folks Smiley
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« Reply #99 on: July 11, 2009, 08:26:32 PM »

Amadeus vs. Evil Dead II confirmed. I think Evil Dead II is just supposed to be a remake of Evil Dead with a few changes? Undecided

Yeah, I mean, maybe we should give someone else a shot at the Evil Dead trilogy. If it's anything like the original you are going to hate it, skjerva.

pretty sure i saw II 15ish years ago and don't remember it as a remake - it isn't actually a remake, is it?  i don't feel like i'm going in with a negative vibe on it, just assuming it will be a different picture.  while i didn't emphasize the positives of TED, i'd imagine Raimi's style will have evolved a bit and he'll have certainly dropped the bad plot points, right? there should be plenty of goodness there as long as i don't get crazy again Smiley  that said, i think it would get weird if we were to start pulling matches if folks get a film that they really like or hate, it's happened in the 90s bracket and we've somehow gotten by Smiley  if folks really want me off it, i have no problem giving it up, but then i think the same should hold for other folks Smiley

No, you make some good points. I know that you will be open minded about the second one.  Smiley
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« Reply #100 on: July 11, 2009, 08:27:55 PM »

I had the idea that it was a remake of sorts, dunno why. I haven't seen the first one.
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« Reply #101 on: July 11, 2009, 08:29:29 PM »

Amadeus vs. Evil Dead II confirmed. I think Evil Dead II is just supposed to be a remake of Evil Dead with a few changes? Undecided

Yeah, I mean, maybe we should give someone else a shot at the Evil Dead trilogy. If it's anything like the original you are going to hate it, skjerva.

pretty sure i saw II 15ish years ago and don't remember it as a remake - it isn't actually a remake, is it?  i don't feel like i'm going in with a negative vibe on it, just assuming it will be a different picture.  while i didn't emphasize the positives of TED, i'd imagine Raimi's style will have evolved a bit and he'll have certainly dropped the bad plot points, right? there should be plenty of goodness there as long as i don't get crazy again Smiley  that said, i think it would get weird if we were to start pulling matches if folks get a film that they really like or hate, it's happened in the 90s bracket and we've somehow gotten by Smiley  if folks really want me off it, i have no problem giving it up, but then i think the same should hold for other folks Smiley

No, you make some good points. I know that you will be open minded about the second one.  Smiley

tanks  Smiley
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« Reply #102 on: July 11, 2009, 09:41:43 PM »

ED II is a riot. You'll have fun I think.
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« Reply #103 on: July 11, 2009, 09:46:01 PM »

Damned If You Don't
1987, Su Friedrich
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Eat a Bowl of Tea
1989, Wayne Wang

Damned If You Don't: Stirring
Eat a Bowl of Tea: Simple


Damned If You Don't is a queer little film.  Just over 40 minutes, it has several nun-related story-lines and a lot going on: there is archival nunny footage; aural analysis of Powell and Pressburger's Black Narcissus (which I feel like I should be familiar with to better appreciate what Friedrich is doing) while a character watches the film on a tiny B&W teevee, the watching character - The Other Woman, as credited - develops interest in The Nun; there is voice-over reading from Immodest Acts: The Life of a Lesbian Nun In Renaissance Italy which is a 1986 scholarly work on an early 1600s inquest of a nun; the voice-over reading of Immodest Acts is also queered as mis-readings and direction are kept in the audio; there is also audio of an interview/conversation/recollection of a woman growing up Catholic and her changing perception of the sisters.  i'm looking forward to revisiting this one to get a better sense of what is going on, but it was a fascinating experience.

Eat a Bowl of Tea shares the ailment of the main character - it is just flaccid.  Just as a flaccid cock doesn't need to be a problem, this film had promise, but banked too much on this one device.  The film is roughly about Chinese-Americans trying to reconstitute family in America post-Exclusion Act circa WWII, leaning heavily on the fact that most Chinese in America pre-WWII were men, meaning Chinese-American families were often incomplete with family lines often dying off.  The film has a critique of the US and capitalism at its root, but uneasily avoids bringing the point home, instead drifting into cute moments, often family-related.  I'm not sure why I had higher hopes for this one, but it was a bit disappointing - when the movie finished, my partner who had been nearby for the final 30min, said "was that as bad as it sounded" - unfortunately, it pretty much was.  Aside from the above, the acting, script, and soundtrack were all a bit weak; very conventional in most regards.  That said, I don't think it is a complete waste of time, just probably not a very high priority.

Damned If You Don't moves on (I'm looking forward to reports from the next round Smiley ).  AND, DIYD is now an Instant Watch, if you're curious.

anyone have a number for me?

First, let me say that I, myself, would have picked the same film to move on.

However, with a negative review of the Wayne Wang film, I'm sure at least one person is wondering why the hell I nominated it.

This film has personal value for me with me being a first generation Asian-American growing up in an Asian-American community.  The biggest reason I nominated the film is because simply it's an Asian/Asian-American story directed by an Asian/Asian-American and I think to get a decent survey of 80s US film we should include fringe items with Wayne Wang being a major figure for Asian-American artists.

Overall, it's a patchy film with some very good moments.  At its best, good enough, personally, to be included in this bracket.

I don't think the film relied to heavily on the device that skjerva mentioned.  Masculinity (tied in with virility and sexuality) within that Asian community and their notion of it (whether or not an outsider sees it as silly or not is irrelevant) is a huge part of the film.

As much as a critique with the intellectual rigor of The Wire or Wendy and Lucy would be to most people including me preferable, I think wanting that from this film is wanting it to be what it didn't set out to be.  I think, above all, this is a light dramedy that is about family, romance, masculinity, and community. 

Russell Wong is terrible; it hurts the film, absolutely, with his character being intergral and all.  On the other hand, I think Victor Wong who played the father was excellent and so was Eric Tsang.  I thought Cora Miao was good.

Wayne Wang's Chan Is Missing is a better film than Eat a Bowl of Tea, way better.
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« Reply #104 on: July 11, 2009, 09:49:33 PM »

I had the idea that it was a remake of sorts, dunno why. I haven't seen the first one.

It's a quasi-remake. Raimi couldn't get the rights to use any footage from TED as a segue into the sequel, so the first seven minutes of ED2 is the condensed version of TED, only it's entirely new footage and with most of the actors cut out, I believe Campbell and his girlfriend are the only two that remain, although I could be wrong on that point.
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