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Mr. and Mrs. 1SO Noir Marathon
« on: November 21, 2011, 10:56:38 PM »
This is for the wife, and will not interfere with finishing my Directors of Shame or Mike Leigh Marathon. Nor will it delay my Kurosawa/Truffaut/Ray marathon. This should take most of 2012 to complete.
Anything we see this month I will post in Noir-vember. After that I will post reviews in "Write about the last movie you watched". This thread is to keep track of the list plus any further discussion.

99 River Street (Phil Karlson, 1953)
Act of Violence (Fred Zinnemann, 1948)
Angel Face (Otto Preminger, 1952)
Armored Car Robbery (Richard Fleischer, 1950)
The Big Clock (John Farrow, 1948)
The Big Combo (Joseph H. Lewis, 1955)
The Big Steal (Don Siegel, 1949)
Blast of Silence (Allen Baron, 1961)
Boomerang! (Elia Kazan, 1947)
The Breaking Point (Michael Curtiz, 1950)
Brute Force (Jules Dassin, 1947)
The Burglar (Paul Wendkos, 1957)
The Chase (Arthur Ripley, 1946)
Cornered (Edward Dmytryk, 1945)
The Crimson Kimono (Sam Fuller, 1959)
Criss Cross (Robert Siodmak, 1949)
Crossfire (Edward Dmytryk, 1947)
Cry Vengeance (Mark Stevens, 1954)
Dark Waters (Andre De Toth, 1944)
Dead Reckoning (John Cromwell, 1947)
Detective Story (William Wyler, 1951)
Don’t Bother to Knock (Roy Ward Baker, 1952)
The Enforcer (Bretaigne Windust, 1951)
Fallen Angel (Otto Preminger, 1945)
Force of Evil (Abraham Polonsky, 1948)
Gilda (Charles Vidor, 1946)
Gun Crazy (Joseph H. Lewis, 1949)
The Harder They Fall (Mark Robson, 1956)
The Hitch-Hiker (Ida Lupino, 1953)
Human Desire (Fritz Lang, 1954)
I Walk Alone (Byron Haskin, 1947)
Kansas City Confidential (Phil Karlson, 1952)
Kiss Tomorrow Goodbye (Gordon Douglas, 1950)
The Lady From Shanghai (Orson Welles, 1948)
Leave Her to Heaven (John M. Stahl, 1945)
The Letter (William Wyler, 1940)
The Lineup (Don Siegel, 1958)
Mildred Pierce (Michael Curtiz, 1945)
Ministry of Fear (Fritz Lang, 1944)
Murder By Contract (Irving Lerner, 1958)
My Name Is Julia Ross (Joseph H. Lewis, 1945)
Mystery Street (John Sturges, 1950)
The Naked City (Jules Dassin, 1948)
The Narrow Margin (Richard Fleischer, 1950)
Niagara (Henry Hathaway, 1953)
Nightmare Alley (Edmund Goulding, 1947)
Nocturne (Edwin L. Marin, 1946)
No Man of Her Own (Mitchell Leisen, 1950)
Odds Against Tomorrow (Robert Wise, 1959)
Panic in the Streets (Elia Kazan, 1950)
Phantom Lady (Robert Siodmak, 1944)
Plunder Road (Hubert Cornfield, 1957)
Pushover (Richard Quine, 1954)
Raw Deal (Anthony Mann, 1948)
Scandal Sheet (Phil Karlson, 1952)
Scarlet Street (Fritz Lang, 1945)
The Strange Affair of Uncle Harry (Robert Siodmak, 1945)
The Strange Love of Martha Ivers (Lewis Milestone, 1946)
The Stranger (Orson Welles, 1946)
Stranger on the Third Floor (Boris Ingster, 1940)
Sudden Fear (David Miller, 1952)
The Suspect (Robert Siodmak, 1944)
They Drive By Night (Raoul Walsh, 1940)
They Live By Night (Nicholas Ray, 1948)
T-Men (Anthony Mann, 1947)
Too Late For Tears (Byron Haskin, 1949)
The Two Mrs. Carrolls (Peter Godfrey, 1947)
Union Station (Rudolph Maté, 1950)
The Web (Michael Gordon, 1947)
When Strangers Marry (William Castle, 1944)
Without Warning! (Arnold Laven, 1952)
Witness to Murder (Roy Rowland, 1954)
The Woman in the Window (Fritz Lang, 1944)
Woman on the Run (Norman Foster, 1950)
You Only Live Once (Fritz Lang, 1937)
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Re: Mr. and Mrs. 1SO Noir Marathon
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2011, 04:26:11 AM »
Wow - that is quite the undertaking, 1SO!  I look forward to following along.
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Re: Mr. and Mrs. 1SO Noir Marathon
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2011, 05:30:46 AM »
Oh man that's a good list.

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Re: Mr. and Mrs. 1SO Noir Marathon
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2011, 08:04:29 AM »
This is for the wife, and will not interfere with finishing my Directors of Shame or Mike Leigh Marathon. Nor will it delay my Kurosawa/Truffaut/Ray marathon. This should take most of 2012 to complete.

Anything we see this month I will post in Noir-vember. After that I will post reviews in "Write about the last movie you watched". This thread is to keep track of the list plus any further discussion.


Brute Force (Jules Dassin, 1947)
Don’t Bother to Knock (Roy Ward Baker, 1952)
Force of Evil (Abraham Polonsky, 1948)
Odds Against Tomorrow (Robert Wise, 1959)
These I especially like (Anne Bancroft singing in Don't Bother still makes my head spin). I would add The Killers & Crossfire if you haven't already seen them.

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Re: Mr. and Mrs. 1SO Noir Marathon
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2011, 08:18:15 AM »
I've seen the 1946 The Killers, but I don't think I've seen the 1964 remake with Lee Marvin and Angie Dickinson. Added Crossfire.

A lot of the same directors keep popping up.

4 from Jules Dassin
4 from Edward Dmytryk
3 from Phil Karlson
3 from Fritz Lang
3 from Anthony Mann
3 from Robert Siodmak
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Re: Mr. and Mrs. 1SO Noir Marathon
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2011, 12:07:23 PM »
That's 5 great directors and Edward Dmytryk!
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Re: Mr. and Mrs. 1SO Noir Marathon
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2011, 08:57:53 PM »
I'm going to have to bump this from time to time so it doesn't vanish to page 2 before I'm done.
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Re: Mr. and Mrs. 1SO Noir Marathon
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2011, 06:16:27 AM »
Have you seen Night and the City yet?
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Re: Mr. and Mrs. 1SO Noir Marathon
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2011, 06:41:18 AM »
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Re: Mr. and Mrs. 1SO Noir Marathon
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2011, 06:47:19 AM »
Have you seen Night and the City yet?

Yes. It's an unpopular opinion.

I missed that review. And I have to agree with verbALs assessment a couple of posts down from yours. After you finish this marathon, or at least at the halfway point, you should give it another chance. After a good dosage of noir, you may see it and Widmark's performance in a different light. Plus, it's worth it just to watch Googie Withers and Francis L. Sullivan play off each other.
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Re: Mr. and Mrs. 1SO Noir Marathon
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2011, 08:16:08 AM »
Went back and read that exchange because it was in my mind to suggest Night & The City; having forgotten we had been down that road already, duh!

There are very few films set in London that feel like the city I grew up in. There are endless New York stories (Serpico being the first that comes to mind) that are love letters to the city (being Lumet). Others I would pair are Paris-The 400 Blows or LA- To Live & Die In LA (but you might not agree with that :P). Night & The City does it for me for my home town. Funnily enough, American Werewolf in London does a similar job of hitting the nail on the head. It's the characters as much as the location that make a great city film.

As for Widmark. Pickup might be the high point but if Night is too BIG for you, then don't ever watch his debut Kiss of Death. If you recall Gorshin in the Batman tv series then Widmark out Riddlers the real Riddler. Ham, Eggs, Chips, the works.

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Re: Mr. and Mrs. 1SO Noir Marathon
« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2012, 09:12:59 PM »
This marathon is already 30 films in. I know I'm going to need to add more, but not too many titles are jumping out at me. The only one I'm definitely putting in is Angel Face (Otto Preminger, 1952).
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Re: Mr. and Mrs. 1SO Noir Marathon
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2012, 07:40:08 PM »
Having recently seen Witness to Murder I am adding No Man of Her Own, which not only stars Barbara Stanwyck but was directed by Mitchell Leisen.
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Re: Mr. and Mrs. 1SO Noir Marathon
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2012, 09:30:55 PM »
I decided to move the marathon back here since most of these films only MartinTeller has seen, and this post is kind of aimed directly at him anyways.

Raw Deal and T-Men
Both: * 1/2

Mrs. 1SO and I were all set to love Anthony Mann's noir, and I still don't have nearly enough information to say what went wrong. The first film is 79 minutes and every time it looks like a conversation is being dropped in just to pad things out, there's a new wrinkle to keep the characters moving. So I had to ask myself why in the end, the film felt slow and uninvolving? Well, I don't like Dennis O'Keefe. He's not wrong for the genre like Dick Powell, but he doesn't know how to hold the screen. His acting is thoroughly uninteresting. The script is another problem, some of the tough noir dialogue sounds very forced. Fake. ("Keep your eve on Miss Law & Order here. She might go soprano on us.")

In the end I realized there's a great idea here with the two women. The film switches the innocent and the femme fatale, and it's done so subtly I didn't even notice it till the last 5 minutes. There are a few good scenes and a handful of good shots. Unfortunately my DVD transfer on both films was not the best. A lot of it was too dark, so I'm disappointed that I didn't get to see John Alton's lighting under better conditions.

The scenes with Raymond Burr were laughably bad. He's filmed from low angles, making him look like Herman Munster. He acts like Brad Garrett when he tries to be menacing, and there's a scene where he throws a flaming desert into a woman's face that includes a shot where he hurls the pot at the camera. I've seen shots like this before... on Mystery Science Theater 3000.


So then there's T-Men. We watched it a few hours later, hoping to give Mann a fresh start. It's a completely different type of noir. Dragnet style with 3rd person narration. The set-up is decent enough and I liked watching how the guys first get accepted into the gang. Then the tedium sets in. John C. Higgins is a writer on this one too, and that damned Dennis O'Keefe again. It was about as exciting as an autopsy. Mrs. 1SO left about halfway through. I slogged on, but you know when you reach a point where practically nothing will make the effort worthwhile?

Anthony Mann westerns give me a special thrill. I'd probably put him 3rd in that genre, behind Leone and Ford and just ahead of Eastwood. As for his noirs, sorry Martin but you can keep them. I'm dropping Side Street from the marathon.
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« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2012, 01:28:57 AM »
I decided to move the marathon back here since most of these films only MartinTeller has seen, and this post is kind of aimed directly at him anyways.

You're getting back at me for every time I've slammed a movie you love, aren't you?

The scenes with Raymond Burr were laughably bad. He's filmed from low angles, making him look like Herman Munster. He acts like Brad Garrett when he tries to be menacing, and there's a scene where he throws a flaming desert into a woman's face that includes a shot where he hurls the pot at the camera. I've seen shots like this before... on Mystery Science Theater 3000.

Man, if you don't love that scene, I don't know what to tell you.  That's the goods right there.  I don't know what "acts like Brad Garrett" means.


I dunno, if you find Mann's noirs boring, I'm going to have to read back through your other reviews and figure out what you do like. 

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« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2012, 01:29:22 AM »
I have problems readily getting hold of a lot of these noir in the UK, so your reviews are very useful. If I see one that is generally agreed to be good I'll spend a little more getting hold of it. As it is I'm starved of these films on rental or at reasonable prices. So rest assured I am devouring these reviews.

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« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2012, 04:04:14 AM »
So then there's T-Men. We watched it a few hours later, hoping to give Mann a fresh start. It's a completely different type of noir. Dragnet style with 3rd person narration. The set-up is decent enough and I liked watching how the guys first get accepted into the gang. Then the tedium sets in. John C. Higgins is a writer on this one too, and that damned Dennis O'Keefe again. It was about as exciting as an autopsy. Mrs. 1SO left about halfway through. I slogged on, but you know when you reach a point where practically nothing will make the effort worthwhile?

T-Men is a serviceable noir, it's not great, but it's not bad either. I don't rate it as high as Martin does, but it's better than the rating you gave it.


Anthony Mann westerns give me a special thrill. I'd probably put him 3rd in that genre, behind Leone and Ford and just ahead of Eastwood.

I put his westerns ahead of Ford's hokum, hell, I'd even put Budd Boetticher ahead of Ford when it comes to sagebrush cinema. Take away Monument Valley and Ford's westerns are pretty much corny and hamfisted.

I'm dropping Side Street from the marathon.

Side Street is much better than T-Men, you should give it a chance.
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« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2012, 07:49:36 AM »
Martin, I think I've gone through more of your beloved films than you have mine. Between this and the Directors of Shame I've been following in your footsteps, mostly watching films you highly recommend. My praise has not been as frequent as yours.

"acts like Brad Garrett" means he bugs his eyes out and acts like a frustrated gorilla. It means this...


Which is followed by this...


Who holds their body like that besides Frankenstein? It's such a cartoonish look. I've seen this kind of thing done very well in Public Enemy and more recently in The Long Goodbye, but here's it's thoroughly silly. Like John Cleese doing a Python parody of noir.

And if you're looking for what I do like, I have to suggest you rewatch Pushover, which you gave an '8' and said "For the average joe this is probably a weak film, but for a noir fan it does the trick." Well, I'm an average Joe and it was all the good noir stuff in one slick package. That was followed by The Lineup and those two plus happy memories of The Phenix City Story had me hooked.


verbALs, make sure you're reading Martin's noir reviews. He's the one who got me interested in this marathon in the first place.


Antares, I grew to really like Ford's hokum. Now I love it, just like I love Capra corn.
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« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2012, 08:04:44 AM »
Antares, I grew to really like Ford's hokum. Now I love it, just like I love Capra corn.

But Capra's corn has a lot of homespun naivety to it, Ford's is repetitive schmaltz. You know you're going to get a brawl (Wedding scene in The Searchers) or an Irishmen prone to drink (Fort Apache, She Wore a Yellow Ribbon) or ridiculous scenes of ineptitude involving secondary characters (The horse riding lessons in Fort Apache). I've just never understood the fascination with his westerns. I've always preferred him when he was doing contemporary dramas like The Grapes of Wrath or How Green Was My Valley.
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« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2012, 08:12:33 AM »
Since when do brawls, drunken Irishmen and secondary ineptitude constitute "schmaltz"?
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